now he is a total nationalist but he wouldn't have been rubbing elbows back in when when -- george hw bush was running. >> that's right. if this was just a party that had gob through its cyclical ups and downs, and the normal people who were in charge of fixing the party were set out to fix it flip flop, and try to move the party back to the middle. politics -- u.s. politics we have seen it all before. democrats web through the same problem, so they would move the party back they would begin to win independents again but they can't do that when they have fox news in the middle. >> hal: right. >> they also can't reach out to minorities and say we have to explain how our policies help them when they don't. >> hal: right. >> you can't make your policies mean something they don't. >> hal: right. it becomes a linguistic tap dance though. we're just the party of growth and opportunity for 200 of the 400 billionaires in this country. it doesn't apply to you, per se. you don't have the right to live here, but they do. and it's kind of like putting natural on your food even though it contains petro